new york city was on life support at one point. but it came back. i think that the american workers, they will work through this period with their government. >> sean: they lost half the population of detroit. you heard the statistics. they are bulldozing entire neighborhoods because half the population's gone, to consolidate services. they lost all of those car manufacturing jobs, the unions partly responsible? leadership? >> the auto industry is not the envy of the world. i love this country -- i wish it were. we have -- look, a lot of great people in union, i worked in a union factory in college. i can tell you, because you are union, it doesn't mean you are a bad employee. but many mide yoker employees are protected by the unions and this hurts unions. there is a reason, detroit, one of the birth places of the labor union became a right-to-work state -- because of nonsense like this. it is self-discrediting, to protect people who are working with heavy machinery, getting high on their brake breaks. >> even if you accept that reasoning -- which i